i am a catholic...but i agree
theres a lot of loopholes and deciept
if only we can all open our minds and look closely on what the bible says...
im sad that we have been misled for a long time.
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i am a catholic..but i see the deciept of the church and its leaders...
yes its based mainly on bible,but i also see how they try to bend the truth
that is in the bible just to justify the wrong traditions and their man-made laws that contradicts the word of GOD
mainly the 10 commandments...Idolatry is one clear example of that...
they try to reason out that VENERATION of the images is different from worshipping it...
yes we love,honor and remember mama mary as the mother of Jesus Christ and we remember her as the most blessed among women....but praying to her or to any saints for petition absolutely falls on this category.
how can we say,that we dont worship or pray to them,when we pray to their statue we even kneel down..
God wanted a personal relationship with us...we dont need to direct our prayers to saints...walang palakasan kay God..hindi natin kelangan dumaan sa saints para ibulong nila ang dasal natin sa Diyos dahil nasa heaven na cla...
only God can forgive our sins...so asking the priest to forgive our sins during confession is another thing i think is not right..
we should ask God's forgiveness.
and the most important thing that any religion should teach the people is the truth about SALVATION tru Jesus Christ.
because Jesus Christ is our only way to the father.
i pray that we dont discriminate or judge each other,instead we should try to share the TRUTH to all our brothers and sisters,that their eyes and heart may also be opened
so they may see the truth.
it is not our religion nor priests nor pastors or any leaders that can save us..our SALVATION lies with our personal relationship with God.
we should ask for forgiveness and repent of our wicked ways and have faith on Jesus as the only son of God who suffered and died for our sins
so that we may be forgiven and SAVED...
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ans..
If your you are not an openminded specially in the teachings of the church (Catholic church) you will end up as a protestant of the church, so
you must search & read the official teaching of the church in the book of catechism of the catholic church, even you always admit that you are a catholic,
still you are protested the church. Maybe you are a catholic who go to church if there were an occasion such like baptism, wedding, funeral, etc..
but in your post, I felt that your not catholic, you are wearing the cloth of sheep but truly you are wolves..
you said..
if only we can all open our minds and look closely on what the bible says...
im sad that we have been misled for a long time.
ans.....
you are quoting the bible, if you are misled by the catholic church, then why reading your bible? the bible is the product and effort of the catholic church,
she is the one who called it Bible, she the one who put it chapters and verses, she the one who translated it to different languages.
Then why are you believing the Bible, if your are thinking that the church deceived you?
you said..
yes its based mainly on bible
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ans..
Can you give chapter and verse that said we will base only to the bible? what is the pillar of truth? chapter & verses please..
you said..
i also see how they try to bend the truth
that is in the bible just to justify the wrong traditions and their man-made laws that contradicts the word of GOD
mainly the 10 commandments
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the traditions of the church is not the man-made traditions, it is the tradition from the apostles passed to its followers that passed..
Can you enumerate your accuses that contradict to the 10 commandments?
CCC
I. The Apostolic Tradition
75 "Christ the Lord, in whom the entire Revelation of the most high God is summed up, commanded the apostles to preach the Gospel, which had been promised beforehand by the prophets, and which he fulfilled in his own person and promulgated with his own lips. In preaching the Gospel, they were to communicate the gifts of God to all men. This Gospel was to be the source of all saving truth and moral discipline."
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In the apostolic preaching. . .
76 In keeping with the Lord's command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways:
- orally "by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received - whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit";
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- in writing "by those apostles and other men associated with the apostles who, under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit, committed the message of salvation to writing".
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. . . continued in apostolic succession
77 "In order that the full and living Gospel might always be preserved in the Church the apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority."
35 Indeed, "the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time."
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78 This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, "the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes."
37 "The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer."
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79 The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: "God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son. and the Holy Spirit, through whom the living voice of the Gospel rings out in the Church - and through her in the world - leads believers to the full truth, and makes the Word of Christ dwell in them in all its richness."
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II. The Relationship Between Tradition and Sacred Scripture
One common source. . .
80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."
40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".
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. . . two distinct modes of transmission
81 "Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit."
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"and [Holy] Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching."
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82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honoured with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."
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Apostolic Tradition and ecclesial traditions
83 The Tradition here in question comes from the apostles and hands on what they received from Jesus' teaching and example and what they learned from the Holy Spirit. the first generation of Christians did not yet have a written New Testament, and the New Testament itself demonstrates the process of living Tradition.
Tradition is to be distinguished from the various theological, disciplinary, liturgical or devotional traditions, born in the local churches over time. These are the particular forms, adapted to different places and times, in which the great Tradition is expressed. In the light of Tradition, these traditions can be retained, modified or even abandoned under the guidance of the Church's Magisterium.
you said..
Idolatry is one clear example of that..
ans..
Can you enumerate the idols of the church? name it according to the bible..
CCC-teaching about idolatry
Idolatry
2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, (of) silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them."
42 God, however, is the "living God"
43 who gives life and intervenes in history.
2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon."
44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast"
45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.
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2114 Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. the commandment to worship the Lord alone integrates man and saves him from an endless disintegration. Idolatry is a perversion of man's innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who "transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God."
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you said..
they try to reason out that VENERATION of the images is different from worshipping it...
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all Catholics knew that image of Christ, Saints, Angels, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ is use to remember them always, (catholic knew that these are only a paper, wood, etc..)
and we respect/venerate these images because these are the images of all Holies in Heaven.. and they are our families/church and that's the reason why we felt pain to any person
who disrespect the sacred images.
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IV. "You Shall Not Make For Yourself a Graven Image . . ."
2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "
Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure...."
66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. "He is the all," but at the same time "he is greater than all his works."
67 He is "the author of beauty."
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2130
Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.69
2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.
2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:
Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. the movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.
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you said..
but praying to her or to any saints for petition absolutely falls on this category.
ans.... when we ask Mary Mother of our Lord, we said "Pray for us".. it is just like you are asking your friends, pastors, mother, father to pray for you..
Mother Mary can ask our Lord and she will be granted of her Son, such like in the wedding of cana-the first miracle did by our Lord Jesus..
you said..
how can we say, that we dont worship or pray to them, when we pray to their statue we even kneel down..
ans....
simple, we are just praying and worship the True God in front of sacred images because God is present in that place.. and there's no teaching of the church to worship images.
like Joshua is not only kneeling but feel to the earth and he is not worshipping the arc of covenant (with statues of angels) but he worshipped God because God is present in that place..
Joshua 6:7 Then
Joshua tore his clothes and fell to the earth on his face before the ark of the LORD until the evening, he and the elders of Israel. And they put dust on their heads.
note: all catholics can pray anywhere without statues..
you said..
God wanted a personal relationship with us...we dont need to direct our prayers to saints...walang palakasan kay God..hindi natin kelangan dumaan sa saints para ibulong nila ang dasal natin sa Diyos dahil nasa heaven na cla...
ans...
all catholics are not force to ask a prayer to saints, its up to them, all catholic can direct his/her prayer to God. Also, personal relationship to God is important and true catholic do that.
you said..
only God can forgive our sins...so asking the priest to forgive our sins during confession is another thing i think is not right..
we should ask God's forgiveness.
ans..
Yes, it is true that only God can forgive sin.., but through our Lord Jesus Christ, he extended His graces, and our Lord established a church not churches, if His church is not important
then why He built a church through Peter His apostle..
Jesus therefore said to them again, Peace be unto you: as the Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Spirit: whosesoever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained.
https://www.bible.com/bible/12/JHN.20.21.ASV
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Article 10
https://www.bible.com/bible/12/JHN.20.21.ASV
"I BELIEVE IN THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS"
https://www.bible.com/bible/12/JHN.20.21.ASV
976 The Apostle's Creed associates faith in the forgiveness of sins not only with faith in the Holy Spirit, but also with faith in the Church and in the communion of saints. It was when he gave the Holy Spirit to his apostles that the risen Christ conferred on them his own divine power to forgive sins: "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."518
(Part Two of the catechism will deal explicitly with the forgiveness of sins through Baptism, the sacrament of Penance, and the other sacraments, especially the Eucharist. Here it will suffice to suggest some basic facts briefly.)
you said..
and the most important thing that any religion should teach the people is the truth about SALVATION tru Jesus Christ.
because Jesus Christ is our only way to the father.
ans..
Catholic Church is the one who first taught these to the people because it is the church founded by Lord Jesus Christ..
Matthew 16:18-19
you said..
i pray that we dont discriminate or judge each other,instead we should try to share the TRUTH to all our brothers and sisters,that their eyes and heart may also be opened so they may see the truth.
ans..
where we can find the foundation of truth?
you said..
it is not our religion nor priests nor pastors or any leaders that can save us..our SALVATION lies with our personal relationship with God.
we should ask for forgiveness and repent of our wicked ways and have faith on Jesus as the only son of God who suffered and died for our sins
so that we may be forgiven and SAVED...
ans..
the Grace of God will save us... repent and do no sin,, remember always that Lord Jesus established a church, and declared the church is His Body and He is the savior
of His body.. he also said, whoever eat my flesh and drink my blood will have eternal life..