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"Once Save Always Save", Agree kau?

Re: "Once Save Always Save", Agree kau?

ang prophecy kase kay judas ay ipagkakanulo, kagaya ng kay pedro.

Wala naman hula kay judas na magpapakamatay sya, ewan ko lang.

Pero kung di nagbigti eh malamang ligtas sya.

Kaya malinaw free will amg umiiral at hindi osas. Nasa tao paren ang desisyon, di naman tayo pwd i manipulate ni god na parang robot.

Tama ba ako kaibigang sword?
pwede mo ba ibigay ang verse sa OT about prophecy of judas?

since me freewill si judas para sayo.... what if nagbago sya ng pagiisip magkakatoon kaya ng crusifiction at ressurection after 3 days?
 
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Ang ganda ng tanung ni sword.


Here is Zechariah11:12-13

12 I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.
13 And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter"-the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter.

See this verse for comparison Matthew 27:5-7,

kung hindi un gnawa ni Judas, tuloy paren un brad huhulihin at huhulihin paren kase wanted sya eh sa mga romano, at tsaka PLAN OF Redemption po. JUAN 3:16
 
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Re: "Once Save Always Save", Agree kau?

Ang ganda ng tanung ni sword.


Here is Zechariah11:12-13

12 I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.
13 And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter"-the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter.

See this verse for comparison Matthew 27:5-7,

kung hindi un gnawa ni Judas, tuloy paren un brad huhulihin at huhulihin paren kase wanted sya eh sa mga romano, at tsaka PLAN OF Redemption po. JUAN 3:16

i dont think so... kung di pagkakanulo ni judas si jesus.... hindi mangyayari ang verse mo nayan ksi si judas ang fulfilment nya ang verse nayan diba... walang tatangap ng 30pcs silver.

maaring ang crusification ay maganap pati ang ressurection.. pero ang hula jan sa verse ay possibleng hindi matupad kung meron syang freewill.

since scripted ang life story ni judas... kasalanan ba ang ginawa nyang pag kakanulo kay jesus?

at kung nagpakamatay man sya ay dahil sa guiltyness nya..... if you feel guilty and you feel sorry for it and you end your life... is that evil works??
 
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para mas masaya mga kapatid dagdagan natin ......wag lang kay hudas kayo mag focus..eh paano naman ang unang hari ng israel na si saul? at si solomon na binigyan ng pambihirang katalinuhan pero sa bandang huli ay tumalikod sa Diyos.. ligtas ba sila?
 
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i dont think so... kung di pagkakanulo ni judas si jesus.... hindi mangyayari ang verse mo nayan ksi si judas ang fulfilment nya ang verse nayan diba... walang tatangap ng 30pcs silver.

maaring ang crusification ay maganap pati ang ressurection.. pero ang hula jan sa verse ay possibleng hindi matupad kung meron syang freewill.

since scripted ang life story ni judas... kasalanan ba ang ginawa nyang pag kakanulo kay jesus?

at kung nagpakamatay man sya ay dahil sa guiltyness nya..... if you feel guilty and you feel sorry for it and you end your life... is that evil works??

Nagsisi si judas pero hindi sya humingi ng kapatawaran sa kanyang kasalanan kaya hindi talaga sya naligtas..
 
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Nagsisi si judas pero hindi sya humingi ng kapatawaran sa kanyang kasalanan kaya hindi talaga sya naligtas..

how do you know?? nabasa mo ba utak ni judas?? hindi mo ba naisip na bago sya magbigti pwede syang nag sisi at humingi ng tawad nung time naun??

no body knows pero normal satin ang magsisi at ang kasunod noon ay paghingi ng tawad. at possible humingi sya ng tawad bago nya ginawa ang suiside... staka bakit sya hihingi pa ng kapatawaran eh... kahit hindi sya humingi.. un ang future nya... that time wala syang freewill or ease mababago ang prophecy na nakasulat....
 
Agree ako dyan na once na save ka.. save kana talaga kahit anung mangyari.
"NO ONE CAN PLUCK OUT oF my FATHER'S HAND" yan yung sabi sa John.. then meron pa yung verse na EVEN THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL..
tungkol namn dun sa sabi mu magiging licensya nila yung pag commit ng sin dahiul alamn nila na ligtas sila.. i think they are not truly save bcoz, GOD's people always guide them. at sabi pa po baga dun " HE IS A NEW CREATURE ALL THINGS ARE PASS AWAY"..
 
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i agree with shamayin on this part. pano nga naman magiging eternal kung pwedeng mawala?

kahit nga nasa heaven na nagkakamali pa sila gaya ng ibang angels. then they will.suffer iternally on hell... WTF! how you so sure when you already in heaven, that god will never make another judgement??? after all the angels from the start still have a freewill iternal. they can change their stand if they are piss off!....

I Corinthians 2:13-14

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world,
but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know
the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak,
not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit,
combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him;
and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.…

sorry... pero hindi talaga kaya ng utak mo yan kaibigan...
pero kung isusuko mo sarili mo kay Kristo...dun mo pa lang maiintindihan...try mo
 
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how do you know?? nabasa mo ba utak ni judas?? hindi mo ba naisip na bago sya magbigti pwede syang nag sisi at humingi ng tawad nung time naun??

no body knows pero normal satin ang magsisi at ang kasunod noon ay paghingi ng tawad. at possible humingi sya ng tawad bago nya ginawa ang suiside... staka bakit sya hihingi pa ng kapatawaran eh... kahit hindi sya humingi.. un ang future nya... that time wala syang freewill or ease mababago ang prophecy na nakasulat....

may punto ka, may free nga si judas pero mas pinili nya na hindi humingi ng tawad bagkus nagpakamatay pa siya..
Hindi mo pwedeng itama ang isang pagkakamali ng isa pang pagkakamali..
Tanong ko sayo, bakit ba siya tinawag na "son of perdition", ano ba ang meaning nito?
 
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I Corinthians 2:13-14

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world,
but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know
the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak,
not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit,
combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him;
and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.…

sorry... pero hindi talaga kaya ng utak mo yan kaibigan...
pero kung isusuko mo sarili mo kay Kristo...dun mo pa lang maiintindihan...try mo

suko? haha... i tell you.. why dont you grow up..... abolish nonsense thing.....

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may punto ka, may free nga si judas pero mas pinili nya na hindi humingi ng tawad bagkus nagpakamatay pa siya..
Hindi mo pwedeng itama ang isang pagkakamali ng isa pang pagkakamali..
Tanong ko sayo, bakit ba siya tinawag na "son of perdition", ano ba ang meaning nito?

ulitin ko. pano mo nalaman na he never ask forgiveness?? whose the withness before he commit suicide? what if judas ask for forgiveness... in his mind before he dead...

bye the way can you specify the verse that judas didnt ask forgiveness... para mabalatan natin yang statement mo..
 
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suko? haha... i tell you.. why dont you grow up..... abolish nonsense thing.....

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ulitin ko. pano mo nalaman na he never ask forgiveness?? whose the withness before he commit suicide? what if judas ask for forgiveness... in his mind before he dead...

bye the way can you specify the verse that judas didnt ask forgiveness... para mabalatan natin yang statement mo..
huh ikaw ang maglatag na humingi nga sya ng kapatawaran kasi wala akong nabasa na record sa bible.. since napakahalaga ng bagay na ito, kung humingi man sya ng tawad eh bakit walang record? since na walang record, assuming na hindi nga sya humangi ng kapatawaran.. katulad ni Solomon..
at iyan ang isang ugali ng final anti-kristo..
Pasensya na pero walang akong ibang paniniwalaan kundi ang nakasulat lamang at hindi galing sa opinyon lamang ng tao..
 
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huh ikaw ang maglatag na humingi nga sya ng kapatawaran kasi wala akong nabasa na record sa bible.. since napakahalaga ng bagay na ito, kung humingi man sya ng tawad eh bakit walang record? since na walang record, assuming na hindi nga sya humangi ng kapatawaran.. katulad ni Solomon..
at iyan ang isang ugali ng final anti-kristo..
Pasensya na pero walang akong ibang paniniwalaan kundi ang nakasulat lamang at hindi galing sa opinyon lamang ng tao..

your argument since wala naman pala nasusulat na hindi sya humingi ng tawad at wala ring nasusulat na humingi sya.... para sayo assuming kalang na hindi nga sya humingi ng tawad.... dahil nga walang nasusulat na himingi sya ng tawad.... is this a joke..... haha

i can assume also na humingi sya ng tawad dahil wala naman nakasulat na hindi sya humingi ng tawad... thats fare enough...

the chance na humingi or hindi humingi ay 50:50... right???

how can we settle this? its is not written..... your bible is incomplete.....
 
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your argument since wala naman pala nasusulat na hindi sya humingi ng tawad at wala ring nasusulat na humingi sya.... para sayo assuming kalang na hindi nga sya humingi ng tawad.... dahil nga walang nasusulat na himingi sya ng tawad.... is this a joke..... haha

i can assume also na humingi sya ng tawad dahil wala naman nakasulat na hindi sya humingi ng tawad... thats fare enough...

the chance na humingi or hindi humingi ay 50:50... right???

how can we settle this? its is not written..... your bible is incomplete.....

your argument since wala naman pala nasusulat na hindi sya humingi ng tawad at wala ring nasusulat na humingi sya.... para sayo assuming kalang na hindi nga sya humingi ng tawad.... dahil nga walang nasusulat na himingi sya ng tawad.... is this a joke..... haha

i can assume also na humingi sya ng tawad dahil wala naman nakasulat na hindi sya humingi ng tawad... thats fare enough...

the chance na humingi or hindi humingi ay 50:50... right???

how can we settle this? its is not written..... your bible is incomplete.....

so wats ur point?
Ganun ba, kaya hindi kana nag'consider na kaya walang nakasulat dahil si hindi nya naman talaga ginawa ayon narin sa kanyang kwento ganun ba?
Eh di ikaw ang maglabas ng patunay na humingi ka sya ng tawad ayon sa biblia..
Patunayan mo kaya na ligtas si judas bago nya ipinagkanulo ang kristo..
Kasi diba sya ang ginamit nyo na example para patunayang nawawala ang kaligtasan!
So ang bible mo kompleto at ang akin hindi, so ano ang kulang sa biblia ko?
 
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so wats ur point?
Ganun ba, kaya hindi kana nag'consider na kaya walang nakasulat dahil si hindi nya naman talaga ginawa ayon narin sa kanyang kwento ganun ba?
Eh di ikaw ang maglabas ng patunay na humingi ka sya ng tawad ayon sa biblia..
Patunayan mo kaya na ligtas si judas bago nya ipinagkanulo ang kristo..
Kasi diba sya ang ginamit nyo na example para patunayang nawawala ang kaligtasan!
So ang bible mo kompleto at ang akin hindi, so ano ang kulang sa biblia ko?
bible is very strick on that. huwag kang mag dadagdag pr mag babawas ayos sa nasusulat....

what we both do is againts the bible... you cannot assume also that since it is not written that “ judas didnt ask forgiveness” therefore you conclude that judas didnt ask forgiveness...

it is self refuting.... i didnt claim the bible is complete... do you claim its complete????

base on our discussion... how can we solve judas problem????
 
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bible is very strick on that. huwag kang mag dadagdag pr mag babawas ayos sa nasusulat....

what we both do is againts the bible... you cannot assume also that since it is not written that “ judas didnt ask forgiveness” therefore you conclude that judas didnt ask forgiveness...

it is self refuting.... i didnt claim the bible is complete... do you claim its complete????

base on our discussion... how can we solve judas problem????

Tama, pano to ma'solve kung wala k naman linalatag na matibay na stand para pabulaan ang mga nailatag kong patunay..
Kung humingi man sya ng tawad bakit hindi naisulat? sumagot ka naman, pansin ko kasi ang dami ko ng nailatag pero ikaw wala pa..
kung baga sa larong text card, ikaw ang panang'gulo sa topic na ito..
Sorry but my bible is complete lalo na patungkol sa kaligtasan at wala kang magagawa kahit mag'protesta ka pa.. haizt mahirap ka kausap, wala ka naman maipakita at mapatunayan..

Ako ay may patunay na hindi nga sya humingi ng tawad,,
UNA: walang record o nakasulat..
PANGALAWA: dahil sya ay may titulong SON OF PERDITION..
Ito yung hindi mo pinapansin kaya hindi mo makuha ang punto ko na hindi talaga sya LIGTAS sa simula palang..

Question: "Who is the son of perdition?"

Answer: The title “son of perdition” is used twice in the New Testament, first in John 17:12 and again in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. The phrase simply means “man doomed to destruction” and is not reserved for any one individual. In fact, there are two people to which the title “son of perdition” is applied. In context, John 17:12 is referring to Judas Iscariot, while 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is referring to the “man of lawlessness” who will appear in the end times before Christ’s return – also known as the Antichrist.

The word “perdition” means “eternal damnation” or “utter destruction.” It can also be used as a noun, as a synonym for hell. When a person is called “son of perdition,” the connotation is that of a person in an unredeemable state, someone who is already damned while they are still alive. Jesus mentions the “son of perdition” in His high priestly prayer in John 17. While praying to the Father for His disciples, Jesus mentions that He “protected them and kept them safe” and that none of them were lost except the “son of perdition,” that is, the one who was already in a damned state. The fact that the phrase is used again to describe the Antichrist shows us that forgiveness was not planned for Judas. God could have saved Judas – moved his heart to repentance – but He chose not to. He was indeed “doomed to destruction.”

A very good picture of a person who is a “son of perdition” appears in Hebrews 6:4-8, which describes a person who, like Judas, has experienced a certain closeness to God and has a good understanding of salvation, but then denies it. Instead of bearing good fruit he bears “thorns and thistles.” This is a person who sees the path to salvation, which is trusting in God’s grace to cover sin (Ephesians 2:8-9), and instead either flatly denies the existence of God or denies God’s gift of salvation, preferring to pay their own debt. Judas chose the second path, punishing himself by suicide instead of accepting grace.

However, Judas and the Antichrist are extreme cases. It is never right for a human being to label another person a “son of perdition” because only God knows the ultimate future of each human soul. Only with these two individuals did God choose to reveal His plan for their eternal damnation. With every other person, no matter how lost or evil they may seem, we are to hope and pray for their redemption (1 Timothy 2:1).
http://www.gotquestions.org/son-of-perdition.html

OH ayan copy paste ko na para mabasa mo ng mabuti.. yan kasi ang nakita ko na pinakamalapit na paliwanag..
 
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Tama, pano to ma'solve kung wala k naman linalatag na matibay na stand para pabulaan ang mga nailatag kong patunay..
Kung humingi man sya ng tawad bakit hindi naisulat? sumagot ka naman, pansin ko kasi ang dami ko ng nailatag pero ikaw wala pa..
kung baga sa larong text card, ikaw ang panang'gulo sa topic na ito..
Sorry but my bible is complete lalo na patungkol sa kaligtasan at wala kang magagawa kahit mag'protesta ka pa.. haizt mahirap ka kausap, wala ka naman maipakita at mapatunayan..

Ako ay may patunay na hindi nga sya humingi ng tawad,,
UNA: walang record o nakasulat..
PANGALAWA: dahil sya ay may titulong SON OF PERDITION..
Ito yung hindi mo pinapansin kaya hindi mo makuha ang punto ko na hindi talaga sya LIGTAS sa simula palang..

Question: "Who is the son of perdition?"

Answer: The title “son of perdition” is used twice in the New Testament, first in John 17:12 and again in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. The phrase simply means “man doomed to destruction” and is not reserved for any one individual. In fact, there are two people to which the title “son of perdition” is applied. In context, John 17:12 is referring to Judas Iscariot, while 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is referring to the “man of lawlessness” who will appear in the end times before Christ’s return – also known as the Antichrist.

The word “perdition” means “eternal damnation” or “utter destruction.” It can also be used as a noun, as a synonym for hell. When a person is called “son of perdition,” the connotation is that of a person in an unredeemable state, someone who is already damned while they are still alive. Jesus mentions the “son of perdition” in His high priestly prayer in John 17. While praying to the Father for His disciples, Jesus mentions that He “protected them and kept them safe” and that none of them were lost except the “son of perdition,” that is, the one who was already in a damned state. The fact that the phrase is used again to describe the Antichrist shows us that forgiveness was not planned for Judas. God could have saved Judas – moved his heart to repentance – but He chose not to. He was indeed “doomed to destruction.”

A very good picture of a person who is a “son of perdition” appears in Hebrews 6:4-8, which describes a person who, like Judas, has experienced a certain closeness to God and has a good understanding of salvation, but then denies it. Instead of bearing good fruit he bears “thorns and thistles.” This is a person who sees the path to salvation, which is trusting in God’s grace to cover sin (Ephesians 2:8-9), and instead either flatly denies the existence of God or denies God’s gift of salvation, preferring to pay their own debt. Judas chose the second path, punishing himself by suicide instead of accepting grace.

However, Judas and the Antichrist are extreme cases. It is never right for a human being to label another person a “son of perdition” because only God knows the ultimate future of each human soul. Only with these two individuals did God choose to reveal His plan for their eternal damnation. With every other person, no matter how lost or evil they may seem, we are to hope and pray for their redemption (1 Timothy 2:1).
http://www.gotquestions.org/son-of-perdition.html

OH ayan copy paste ko na para mabasa mo ng mabuti.. yan kasi ang nakita ko na pinakamalapit na paliwanag..

ang stand ay walang nakasulat na “hindi humingi ng forgiveness si judas” there fore there is a possibilities na humingi sya ng tawad dahil ang taong magpapakamatay sa sobrang guilt nya sa nagawa nya hindi nya matanggap na sya pa ang naging dahilan para mahuli ang god nya....

another thing is un verse na binigay mo ay hindi prophecy.. new testament yan.. at pano ka nalalasiguro na hindi yan bintang laban kay judas???

many centuries bago pa isulat ng mga sinaunang scribes ang manuscript... ipinasa ang kwento ng mahabang panahon hindi lang decades kundi centuries... alam mo naman ang kwento ay pwedeng madagdagan o maiba o mabawasan.... so since ayon sa paliwanag mo na ang “son of perdition” ay doom of destruction... lumabas lang ang salitang yan patay na si judas..at wala sa mga apostle o kahit na sino malamang na nasa tabi nya bago sya nagpakamatay... so sino makakaalam kung si judas ba ay hindi humingi ng tawad or huminhi ng tawad???? walang nakarinig sa kanya!!! at walang nakabasa ng utak nya bago sya mag suicide!! haha

un son of perdition mo ay isa laman accusasion!!!! haha
 
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ang stand ay walang nakasulat na “hindi humingi ng forgiveness si judas” there fore there is a possibilities na humingi sya ng tawad dahil ang taong magpapakamatay sa sobrang guilt nya sa nagawa nya hindi nya matanggap na sya pa ang naging dahilan para mahuli ang god nya....

another thing is un verse na binigay mo ay hindi prophecy.. new testament yan.. at pano ka nalalasiguro na hindi yan bintang laban kay judas???

many centuries bago pa isulat ng mga sinaunang scribes ang manuscript... ipinasa ang kwento ng mahabang panahon hindi lang decades kundi centuries... alam mo naman ang kwento ay pwedeng madagdagan o maiba o mabawasan.... so since ayon sa paliwanag mo na ang “son of perdition” ay doom of destruction... lumabas lang ang salitang yan patay na si judas..at wala sa mga apostle o kahit na sino malamang na nasa tabi nya bago sya nagpakamatay... so sino makakaalam kung si judas ba ay hindi humingi ng tawad or huminhi ng tawad???? walang nakarinig sa kanya!!! at walang nakabasa ng utak nya bago sya mag suicide!! haha

un son of perdition mo ay isa laman accusasion!!!! haha

AYon na, wala parin.. asan ang tinndig mo? PURO KA NALANG HEARSAY AT HAKAHAKA NA WALANG MATIBAY NA BATAYAN..
huh hindi daw PROPHECY eh ayon sa paliwanag ng talata eh yun na nga ang katuparan eh.

John 17:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

ETO NAMAN PALIWANAG NG MGA APOSTOL TUNGKOL SA KANYA:

Acts 1:16-19

King James Version (KJV)

16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
sus kakatamad ka kausap, PURO TRASHTALK nalang ang alam mo..
kahit saan pa natin tingnan ikaw ang malabo ang tindig.
haist bahala ka na nga!!
 
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sensya na ngayun lang buzy kc eh....
anyway back to discussion...

[
danhiel024;18561751]AYon na, wala parin.. asan ang tinndig mo? PURO KA NALANG HEARSAY AT HAKAHAKA NA WALANG MATIBAY NA BATAYAN..
huh hindi daw PROPHECY eh ayon sa paliwanag ng talata eh yun na nga ang katuparan eh.

ano ba ang tinutukoy jan na katuparan...?? ano ang tinutumbok ng talata mo? katuparan dahil naganap ang pag benta sa kanya ni judas.. at walang kinalaman sa pinag

uusapan natin kung " humingi ba ng kapatawaran si judas o hindi humingi".... ayan....

John 17:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

ETO NAMAN PALIWANAG NG MGA APOSTOL TUNGKOL SA KANYA:

Acts 1:16-19

King James Version (KJV)

16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
sus kakatamad ka kausap, PURO TRASHTALK nalang ang alam mo..
kahit saan pa natin tingnan ikaw ang malabo ang tindig.
haist bahala ka na nga!!
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hindi ko kini claim 100% na humingi nga ng kapatawaran si judas.... ikaw lang ang nag ke claim nyan 100%.... haha

dyan sa mga binigay mong talata, naka saad ba dya na "hindi humingi ng tawad si judas??? wag kang mag conclude brad.... stk.. yan ba turo sa inyo ni Soriano???

e2 ulit sasabihin ko sayo.. ang chance na humingi sya ng tawad o hindi ay 50:50.... kaya 50/50 yan kasi wala kanaman mababasa na "humingi or hindi humingi ng tawad si judas"...

eto:

Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said, “What is that to us? See to that yourself!” And he threw the pieces of silver into the sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. (Matthew 27:3–5)

ayan ang talata.. ikaw ba pag nakakaramdam kaba ng guilt..... hindi mo ba naiisip humingi ng tawad sa nagawan mo ng kasalanan???

natatawa ako sa claim mong ito..... hahaha


Ako ay may patunay na hindi nga sya humingi ng tawad,
,UNA: walang record o nakasulat..

sayo galing yan di ko lang ma quote!!! hahaha

wala nga naka sulat kung maka claim 100% wagas!!!! nyahahaha!
 
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,wow nice conversation, i like the part that judas felt guilt.. Yeah i like it..
>pero nag pakamatay pa. Hehe.. Pero alam nya ang utos ng Diyos..
>at masaklap pa, bago nya ipinag kanulo si Jesus, si Satan mismo ang pumasok sa kanya, tapos inutos din ni Jesus "gawin muna"... Realy confusing..
=pero manunuod muna ako sa inyo mga sir. Thanks s magandang topic nyo. God bless you, basta yung paliwanagan na maayos at Out of Love dapat. Thanks
 
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