Re: "Once Save Always Save", Agree kau?
Yes brad binasa ko po.
Yan po ay senyalis ng muling pagbabalik ng ating Tagapagligtas. Ang tanung eh, do Gods people live thru the coming tribulation or they rapture b4 the tribulation?
Kung babalikan natin ang history, the experiences of ancient israel were examples gven by God for His people lving at the close time. Just as israel was deliverd egyptian bondage after the plagues, so God's church wil be protected thru the plagues and be delivered frm the hand of opressor (1 Cor. 10:11; Psalms chap. 91 and 46. Wow what a wonderful promises Amen.
Another Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego entered the flames when they refuse to yield the universal death decree of babylons king. In those flames God miraculously delivered them. Their death -defying faith face the flames wow! Amen mga brad! (Daniel 3:16-28). At malinaw He comes as a thief after the plagues (Rev. 16:15). What sense wud it make to declare "behold i come as a thief after the six plagues are already poured out" if he had already come as a thief b4 they were poured out? Rev. 15:8 says " No man enter the (heavenly) temple until the plagues are completed.
2Thess. 2:1-3 makes it plain that the anti-christ is revealed b4 Jesus comes and is destroyed by the brightnes of His coming.
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Isn't Jesus coming secretly? Deosnt the bible say "ther will be two in the field, one taken one left. Matt. 24:40
The bible makes it abundantly plain that Jesus' coming is not secret event (Rev. 1:7, Ps. 50:3, 1Thess. 4:16,17. When the bible speaks of those being left, it does not say they wil be left alve on earth. The extended passage in Luke 17:26-37 describes the event in detail. In Noah's day there were two classes, (one taken out of the city and saved,one left in the city and consumed by the fire). It will be similar when Jesus comes (Luke 17:30-37). One class will be taken to heaven with Jesus and the other class will be destroyed. In luke 17:37, the questions is raised, "where Lord? Where are these people left?" the bible answer is plain, "whichever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together." Rev. 19:11-18 clarifies the point that the wicked are destroyed when Jesus comes. 2 Thess. 1:7-9, 2:8. Amen and Amen.
Ito ang simple and clear explanation about the issue.
Lesson 11 - Rapture
Matthew 24
1. What do we mean by "the Tribulation?" (The seven years period of God's wrath poured out on earth).
2. What group of people does the Tribulation primarily concern? (Israel).
3. What is the primary purpose of the Tribulation? (To prepare Israel for the Messiah).
1. Isn't the Tribulation also designed to purify God's churches? (No).
4. What New Testament book most clearly speaks about the Tribulation? (Revelation).
1. At what point in that book do we begin to read about the Tribulation (Chapter 6 and the opening of the seals).
2. Where in that book do we find reference to God's churches? (Chapters 1-3 and 22:16).
3. Does that book give us any reason to think that God's churches will be in the Tribulation? (No.)
5. What is the primary reason that some theologians have the church going through the Tribulation? (Confusion of Israel and the Lord's Church).
6. What are the five major areas of thought in regard to the relationship of the rapture to the Tribulation? (Pre-Trib., Post-Trib., Mid-Trib., Mixed-Trib [Partial Rapture] and the Pre-wrath Rapture).
7. What is the primary tenant of the Post-trib'er in regard to the saints of God? (The saints will be caught up at the end of the Tribulation).
8. Do all Post-trib'ers agree on the details of the rapture? (No).
9. How many major branches of Post-Tribulationalism are there? (3, some say 4).
1. What are they? (Classic, Semi-classic, Future).
10. What does the Classic Post-Trib'er believe about the Tribulation? (That it started in Acts and concluded with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.)
1. What is his primary method of Hermeneutics? (Spiritualizing/allegorizing the statements about the Tribulation).
2. Could this man believe in the imminent commencement of the Millennium? (Yes, but most are amillennialists).
11. What does the Semi-Classic Post-Trib'er believe about the Tribulation? (That it started sometime in the past and that we are now in the Tribulation.)
1. How much of the Tribulation is left in the Eschatology of this man? (Many say that the Great Tribulation is yet to come).
2. Do any Semi-Classic's believe that the church will be spared the Great Tribulation? (Yes, somehow, the Lord will remove all or some of the saints, without actually returning to earth to get them).
12. What do the Futurist Post-Trib'ers believe about the Tribulation?
13. Do any of these people believe in a seven-year Tribulation? (Some do).
14. John Walvoord says that Post-Trib'ers have 10 problems and arguments against Pre-Tribulationalism; what are they?
15. What is an ad hominem argument? (Personal reasons without much factual basis, often with personal attacks).
16. What is their historical argument? (J.N. Darby started Pre-Tribulationalism in the 1830s based on the ideas of Margaret MacDonald and Edward Irving).
1. How many Pre-Trib'ers have you heard quote or study any of these three people?
2. From what source do most Pre-Trib'ers get the arguments for their doctrine? (The Scriptures).
17. What is their problem regarding the nature of "tribulation?" (Definitions).
18. What is their problem regard the relationship between Israel and the Church? (They often see them as the same).
19. What is their argument regarding the post-Trib resurrection of the saints? (They see the resurrection of Tribulation saints as being our "rapture")
20. What is their argument regarding the "meeting in the air?" (They say that I Thess. 4:17 is referring to a procession of saints and receiving Christ in order to escort him back to earth. They even define "meet" as referring to "receive and return" to which no lexicon agrees. They say that nothing is said of going with Christ to heaven; but nothing is said of returning to earth either. This kind of reception doesn't agree with other scriptures which describe the glorious and military return of Christ).
21. What is their argument using the words "parousia" [coming] "apokalupsis" [revelation] and "epiphaneia" [appearing]? (They argue that these words speak about the time of the rapture and the time of the glorious coming, and therefore these events occur at the same time. But these words also speak of the first coming of Christ. This doesn't prove that they are at the same time).
22. What is their argument of the "Wheat and Tares" [Matt. 13:24-30; 36-43]? (This is not talking about the rapture, and is only emphasizing that there will be a separation between the righteous and the wicked at the end of the Tribulation. See Matt. 13:47-50, where the order of events is reversed).
23. What is their argument regarding motives? (That the Pre-Trib'ers selfishly want to escape the Tribulation. A reply might be to ask, why the Post-Trib'ers want to suffer through the Tribulation).
