you know, you can use the "wrap quote" icon para mas maayos. parang ganito.
kung walang icon, you can use this code before the text (quote) just change the ( ) into [ ]...... and you could add this code after the text (/quote) change all the same the parentheses into [ ]
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Thank you, but i have my own way of doing things.
I'll just color my answers para di aksaya ng space.
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saka, wehhh.. denial ka naman di daw copy paste. mga verses ng pinagpopost mo copy paste yan. dont tell me you momorized the whole texts of the bible? a person with that ability would not be so stupid to understand texts and information. (just kidding with the stupid calling)
i don't have to memorize all of them, any person with an ounce of brain should never wonder how i am able to type the whole texts of bible verses. i have a small King James Bible on my desk, Dahil sa bagal ng koneksyon,di na ako mag-oopen ng Bible sites.
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may side comment pa? hahaha. kaya ko yan tinanong dahil mukhang hindi mo alam ang pinagsasabi mo. and being like that, the engagement is not going anywhere but goes round and round.. begging the question.
mahirap ka lang makakaintindi.
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so kaulan nangyayari ang salvation?
in the future?
after you're part of god's family?
before you're part of god's family?
After accepting Christ, Sabay-sabay mo matatanngap ito.
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how do you understand the verse 13 of the verse you've provided?
as i have told you, a single verse could be very misleading kung di mo babasahin ang puno't dulo. The statement started from verse tweleve, sa lahat na tumanggap sa Anak. being born of God is not by blood, not by will of man(hindi tao ang may kagustuhan na ipabilang ka sa mga anak ng Diyos) but by the will of God(ang Diyos mismo ang may kagustuhan na ipabilang sa kanyang pamilya)
look at the actual verse:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
'Which' refers to 'many' and who receive him and 'them' that believe in his name. Take note all people are born of blood except Christ, therefore a person being born into the family of God is being born by the will of God.
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so you are saying that being a part of god's family is not being sure, nonetheless, of your salvation because salvation is different from being part of god's family?
Here's a simple answer.
Being part of God's family and being saved is two different blessings that God has promised to all who will believe His Son. These two however are received at the same time, when is that time? After you receive Christ. These two are inseparable.
If you're part of God's family, then you are saved. If you are saved then you are part of God's family. If you are saved, therefore you are sure.
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could you pls provide verses other than eph. 1 which you undoubtedly misintepreted?
adoption to what? and verses.
John 1:12. Romans 8.
what happens with the hs? verses
Eph 1:13. Romans 8. Titus 3:5-7
baptism of what? verses.
water. Acts 8:26-40.
provide verses
and it must be linked to accpting christ.
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ay di ko nabasa. ang nabasa ko lang yung statement mo na ako ang stupid something something
Isa yan sa mga problema mo.
stop pointing at yourself.
naiintindihan mo ba ang ibig sabihin ng kontento? mukhang hinde.
kung hndi ka na kontento sa CP mo, saka ka lang titingin ng iba. napakasimple.
pati grade 1 alam yan
ang mga tumitingin sa iba ay contento na sana sa CP nila, kung di lang lumabas ang bagong model, na nakita nila sa ads. kaya nawala ang pagiging kontento nila at bumili.
tulad din yan sa Gospel, ang kadalasan may Bible sa bahay, pero di binabasa, pero may nakapagsabi na dapat basahin ang Bible kaya't naisipang bumasa at dun nalaman ang katotohanan.
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Romans 3:
10As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
paulit-ulit. no one seeks God for they did not hear the truth yet. Romans 10:1-17. Basahin mo nga.
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papaano mo maiintindihan e di mo nga alam kung ano ang free will at kung ano ang tinatawag na sovereignty of god.
alamin mo muna kung ano ang mga yan.
what is free will?
is god sovereign?
i already given you my answers on this. di mo naman binasa. kahit anong pilit kung ipaintindi sayo ang sagot ko, kung di mo babasahin ang mga binigay kung mga verses, baliwala din yun.
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sabi mo god has taken their understanding
tas sasabihin mo they understood?
ano ka, pinagloloko mo ang sarili mo
Throughout the history of Israel, it is recorded that many times, again and again, they rejected God's commandments, even the most obvious commandments like no other Gods before me. Therefore God decided to take away their understanding.
2Peter 2:21-22. Gets mo na?
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fulfilled? then, it is no longer aplicable to this milieu? how come?
what is the difference between the prophet's time, paul's time and today's time?
Sinabi ko lang fullfilled, kasi ang ibig ko sabihin nangyayari yun sa panahon ni Paul, at nangyayari din ngayon. Di ko sinabi specifically fullfilled sa panahon lang ni Paul.
mukhang malala ka na talaga.
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so god has no longer blinded their eyes and plugged their ears, and hardened their hearts?
god must have given understanding to everyone now?
corny
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dint jesus came to find the lose sheep? or did he come to find the lose goat?
He came to seek and save that which was lost as stated in Luke 19:10. Please review the story of Jesus and Zaccheus to understand my point.
i want to hear from you, if who are you referring to when you talk about sheep or goat? can you give me verse that supports your view regarding this two animal?
then i will proceed with my explanation on this.
Since
basahin mong maigi. for who?
In this chapter (Romans 10), Paul is praying for the salvation of Israel. Then he continue in the following verses that Israel has a zeal for God but the problem is that they are ignorant about God's way of salvation, thus they create their own way. The way of salvation is stated in verses 9-13. Then he continued that the problem is that they did not heard the way yet, for salvation is by faith and faith comes from hearing the word of God.
supporting verse for this argument.
1 Timothy 2:4-6.Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
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but will he save everyone?
NO!
Intindihin mo mabuti ang verse sa taas. Kahit kambing makakaintidi sa linaw ng pagkakasabi ni Paul kay timothy.
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He wants to save everyone. All who comes to repentance.
Not all will be saved, because not all will believe on this Good news.John 5:40, Matt 23:37.
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i was not a part of teh reglion jehova's witnesses.
ano ang sabi sa revelation?
Out of topic
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ay... ganun?
si essau siguro ay nasa impyerno na ngayon.. ilang libong taon nang naghihirap... for just a hundred years of life on the earth with some wrong decision?
lol
merciful..just, loving god is it!
He died to save you.
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mukhang sabi ata sa revelation e... the sea will bring forth all those deads who were in it.. the land the same.. then the final judgement.
awww... ilang judgement meron?
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more than one. Merong Judgement Seat of Christ, Meron ding The great white throne Judgement, meron ding Judgment after death. E-google mo nalang kaya para may idea ka.
mukhang madami....
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Medjo.
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e sino pa ang ilalabas ng dagat kung nasa impyerno na sila?
stupid dogma!
stupid?
ikaw nga ang tamad magbasa.
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dahil sinasabi nilang ganito.. naniwala ka naman without studying it.
another assumption, FYI. I studied it.
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well, that's called indoctrination. kung anong kinalakihan mahirap pakawalan. ganyan talaga e.
another assumption. I was once a catholic, so iba ang kinlakihan ko kaysa pinaninindigan ko ngaun.
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hell is grave. dint you know? sheol.
sheol is grave. i know. Hell in the Old Testament refers to grave, synonimous to Sheol. In New Testament, Hell is eternal punishment. That's why it is called the second death.
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and jesus said to the thief, "you shall be with me in paradise" e naghirap pala sya sa hell ng 3 days? asan ang paradise nung thief? syempre, "with me" sabi ni kristo, e di kasama nya.. naghirap din ang thief.
hay nako.
alexandrian teachings.
marami ka pang di naiintindihan magbasa ka muna at focus ka sa topic natin. mmya ka na mag-tanong ng tanong ng kung ano-ano.
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ok so god is holy that he hates sinners so much that he is willing to make the sinners suffer everlasting for a short time of living on this earth.
he is holy that he enjoys seeing them suffering forever for a wrong action.
Jesus would never have died for us if God enjoyd seeing someone in Hell. But, this people continued on thier sins and rejected thier God. God is a jealous God. that's why.
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mas ok pa pala si zeus kesa sa kanya.
Cgeh,magdasal ka kay Zeus.
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they are marked according to the will of god to do service?
hahaha.. kakaiba. kakatawa.
wla kanang magagawa,, ito ang totoo.
Basahin mo Jude 1:1. Who are the sanctified? 1Cor 6:9-11. By who? By election? No, but in the name of the Lord.
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post the verse and ill tell you
Eph.1:5
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predestined to serve god.
if one is predestined to serve god, then he must have been predestined/elected first to be a believer? tma po ba?
Mali.
what do you expect from a person who just graduated from a pilot school? to fyl a plane, of course.
are you expecting that person who is not yet a pilot would fly a passenger jumbo jet?
Did you get the idea? Only the believer are expected to carry out the Lord's ministry. The unbelievers are aliens and strangers of Israel. God promised that through his seed, Abraham will be a grat nation. Christ fulfilled that promise. By Christ, believers are no longer aliens,but part of the holy nation, chosen to carry out the Lord's ministry. Napakarami ko na verse na binigay sayo ah. Hindi mo pa rin ma gets?
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predestine to be adopted as sons of god.. hindi to recieve blessings. ewwwww...
being adopted as one of the sons of God isn't a blessing?
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verse 5. basa.
verse 1-5... basahin mo.
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di mo binsa yung explanation ko sa eph ano?
binasa ko. maling-mali.
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kaya nga interpretasyon mo lang mahalaga.. di mo binabasa paliwanag ng iba.
lol...
i read all of it. wrong interpretation, because it is based on wrong principles.
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magbasa ka kase para malaman mo.
you may want to read commentaries and expositions.
you have no idea.
i'm reading even Bible encyclopedia by W. Cloud.
Stong's Concordance, Wilmington's guide to the bible.
The Biblical Doctrine of Election and Predestination
by Edward Rice. I have access to our church library.
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you are blessed with gifts
because you are predestined in christ
what is predestined in christ?
you, before the world was created was in the mind of god to belong to christ.
the believer, only the believer. the letter was written for the saints at Ephesus.
before the world was created, the all-knowing God sees that i will accept His son, thus, he prepared these blessings for me.
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you are predestined to be a son of god
you, before the world was created was initiated to be a son of god.
yes, i am predestined, because i believed. not because he programmed me to believe, but because some preacher asked my attention, preach the gospel to me, and ask me to accept Christ of which I did. by the grace of God, i am saved. I accepted his gift, his grace.
God alreay knew before time began that this will happen, not because he programmed, be he knew that this will be my decision.
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you are only focusing on heavenly gifts.
this is the subject of Eph 1, how come we will no focus on them?
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eyes that are blind, and ears that are filled with wax
lol
that is why, when you talk to a wall, everything you say bounces back to you. a wall cannot understand.
i rather talk to a wall than sell my computer to a snail.
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if is it a decision, how come christ is the author of your faith? if you are the one who decides, then, christ must not be the author of your faith. you must be your own author.
you did not really understood what'author' means did you?
it simply means, he is the one we should believe and accept, if there is no Christ? sino tatanggapin natin? he is the subject of our faith, the author and the finisher, it means, siya lang at wala ng iba. you accepted or rejected something because he offers something. salvation is what he offers. how did we know he offers, by hearing His Words, then it is our decision.
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ill read this next time.. tinamad ako magbasa.. i promise, ill read this
ok, i'll wait. take your time on studying. sana magbalik ang tiwala mo sa kanya. marami ka lang hinde naiintindihan noon kaya't humantong ka sa pagiging atis.
